Nishikant Dubey, a four-time Member of Parliament (MP) from Jharkhand’s Godda constituency, discusses a range of political and economic issues with The New Indian’s Executive Editor Rohan Dua, the conversation touches on Dubey’s stance on the role of organizations like Hindenburg and George Soros in India’s economic and political landscape, his defence of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s leadership, and the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) economic policies. Dubey also addresses controversies involving opposition figures, his commitment to the Constitution, and his dedication to the BJP’s ideology. The interview highlights Dubey’s perspectives on the challenges facing India, his combative approach in Parliament, and his loyalty to the BJP and its leadership.
Nishikant Dubey
The organization like Hindenburg, the Rockefeller Institute, and George Soros, all these organizations want to destroy India and any strong leadership that has been given to this country after years, they want to defame it in some way. When the whole Hindenburg investigation is conducted, as Sebi has said, you will be extremely shocked to see how they want to destroy not only the economic front but want to create anarchy in the country.
And before our DBT scheme, we are giving a direct benefit transfer scheme for the poor. But what was the DBT scheme there? They wanted to make cement for Dalmia and give license to Dalmia. They wanted to make sugar for Birla, run newspapers for Birla, do Times for Hindustan, etc. They wanted to make steel for Tata and make a scooter for Bajaj. So, the DVT scheme, license permit from Kota Raj, and all of these were from Congress. Forget Tata Sahab, Birla Sahab was also a member of Congress. Ramakrishna Dalmia was a famous independent soldier. Correct. The father of Mr Prajad and Mr Rahul Bajaj, he was also an independent soldier. All of these were from Congress.
Rohan Dua
Today, I am with a personality who has been very good at both friendship and enmity. Whether it is from Bengal to Jharkhand or from Lucknow to Delhi’s Sansad. Whether it is Mahua Mohtra, MP from the Trinamool Congress party, was accused of having dealings with a businessman. Or, be it the murders that have taken place in Bollywood in the last 4 years and then the demand for investigation on the increased consumption of drugs and allegations. Even the big questions that have arisen in the last 10 days, whether they come from Bangladesh- the number of increased Rohingya Muslims, and the number of tribes that have decreased.
A hearty welcome to the four-time MP from Jharkhand’s Godda in this maze of questions. Welcome to the show Nishikant Ji. Of course, first of all, many congratulations for having returned as an MP after 2009 for the fourth time. Whenever I have a conversation with you about any issue, I remain very surprised that that job should be of a journalist or a parliamentarian. You have done a lot of great work in the past. I am very happy that you have done a lot of great work in the past. But, in the October issue of 2023, I think you have made the BJP stand strong. Because that scam affected not only the Parliament but also many parties. And because it was about Trinamool Congress, and you have been fighting against the opposition in Bengal with a long history. I just want to know who you are. Who is Nishikant Dubey ji? An investigator, a lawyer, a party leader or a self-developed researcher who exposed such a big scam in front of everyone?
Nishikant Dubey
When you become a parliamentarian, your primary duty is towards the constitution, because you have taken oath over it. So when it comes to saving the Constitution, for whom is it for? The constitution is for the 1.4 billion people of the country. It includes the rich and the poor. It has the rich, the poor, and the vulnerable. And if you see any problem, you should stand with it. My village is on the banks of the Ganges. Vikram Kshila, which is the old university, along with Nalanda and Takshila, which gave the world the first vice-chancellor. But the current situation is that the Ganga flood comes every year in the village. Our family puts grains in the fields and takes the risk that maybe this year the Ganga flood will not come. If the flood does not come, then the yield comes home. If flooding occurs, then even the grains kept at home are also washed away.
So when you see these things in life, then the power of this country, the power of the soil at the banks of the Ganges, it makes you do everything from shoe-stitching to Chandipath. That is why you may see me fighting, fighting for the constituency, but for me, the most important thing is our Prime Minister and our ideology. If Modi would not have been the leader of our party, then at no cost would the Bharatiya Janata Party have been in the position to form a government on its own. He is our leader. Atal ji too became Prime Minister before this. But we never managed to get over 180-182. The poor, the oppressed, the Dalits, the deprived, the oppressed, the party that was cut off from the Indian People’s Party, that is why we have the name of Modi Ji. So, whether it is the question of the prestige of Modi Ji, the prestige of the Indian People’s Party, the prestige of ideology, and the country’s… security question.
Yes. In that, for me, the line of friendship and enmity is very clear. And in that, whatever I have to do, I have to do research, I have to do investigation, I have to go under it. So I keep doing it.
Rohan Dua
The research you did, even wrote a letter, all those 43 logins were also issued by MHA, from the scarf to the lipstick. I was amazed to see the list of gifts, that along with a businessman named Darshan Hiranandani, this Mahua was making compromises. He was explaining the questions. Were you surprised to see him or were you afraid to say no because he is an opposition? That’s why you are speaking against him?
Nishikant Dubey
No, no. My side and the opposition are related to the Parliament. I will be the only one who has crossed the party line, a very personal and family-oriented relationship. But where the security of the country is being compromised, and where, let me tell you, the report of Heidenberg come, what is Adani? Mine and your money are involved. Adani has shares somewhere. Adani has borrowed loans from banks, loans from financial institutions. He gives jobs to lakhs of people. He gives income tax around 2 lakhs to 2.5 lakhs crores a year. The information I am receiving is that today he has done insider trading and some things that Hindenburg has done today. You understand that even Ambani is in this condition. The Ambani industry has been running for years. Ambani is not because of Modi. If we say it is against Adani, then we cannot say it is against Ambani. Whatever is the prosperity, it is only during Congress. They are talking about bringing foreign investments.
The system that we are talking about is based on your economy. Today the whole world is crying that no one has more than 2.5% GDP. India is the only country that after corona, its a GDP growth above 7%.
Rohan Dua
And it has come in the top 5.
Nishikant Dubey
It has come in the top 5. Today it has come in the top 5 and our target is to become the third world economy in 2027-2029. When the time comes to realise Viksit Bharat 2047, we might be in the first 1, 2, 3.
Rohan Dua
Correct.
Nishikant Dubey
If your target is so big or so long, you have to take a stand somewhere.
But let me tell you that his inspiration was the same. And the organization like Hindenburg, the Rockefeller Institute, the organization of George Soros, all these organizations want to destroy India and any strong leadership that has been gained here after Modi Ji, after years, wants to defame it in some way. So such elements get stuck in it. That’s why you have to fight. And I fought and I told the people the facts.
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Rohan Dua
In fact, you had another face-off in the Lok Sabha again a few days ago. Mahua again raised the issue and gave you clarification as to why Dasha and Hina didn’t join the proof after all.
Nishikant Dubey
The matter is subjudice. That’s why I said on the floor of the house. Because on the floor of the house, under Article 105, you have the privilege and freedom to speak.
Rohan Dua
Correct.
Nishikant Dubey
But I can tell you that until this goes away and when the whole Hindenburg investigation is conducted, as Sebi has said, and as should be, you will be extremely shocked to see how foreign powers want to destroy India not only on the economic front but want to create anarchy in the country.
You understand that all those issues that the opposition is raising, they want to show that we have no love or affection for the Indian Constitution. Now the Constitution will change. This is a slogan. Who can change the constitution? Can anyone change the constitution of Baba Sahab Ambedkar?
Rohan Dua
Similarly, I will come to another question. Mr. Nishikant, when you create controversy in the parliament, the answers to it are seen running somewhere in the opposition. This time you raised another question and said that while screaming “parrot-parrot”, Priyanka Gandhi also went to Ambani’s wedding. Even Rajiv Shukla had to answer the press outside that she was at an undisclosed location. So, was your aim to find out whether it was an undisclosed location or if you have any evidence?
Nishikant Dubey
I have already said that which political party members were not there. Ambani Adani was being abused. Kamal Nath Ji, Digvijay Singh Ji, Rajiv Shukla Ji. All these people were present there. I am saying that you attack someone based on some issue.
If Ambani has committed theft, if Adani has committed theft and if the country is suffering losses because of it, you should talk about that. But the sweeping remarks like “this is theft, that is theft”. If we have a chance in the parliament and there can be no action on it, then we should talk seriously about any issue.
Rohan Dua
But do you think Priyanka Gandhi had gone?
Nishikant Dubey
I said that it would take 6 months to get married. Some went to Jamnagar, some went on a cruise, some went to London for a reception, and some went to BKC. Who knows where they went? But you have the invitation, they have already got the photo of Rahul ji and Sonia ji, they went to give the invitation. You must not have gone to your house like this. But when you abuse like this, you don’t look towards your selves. I said that you have to know the condition of the heart to know someone else’s condition.
When they had the government, the license permit quota raj was there. And before our DBT scheme, we are giving a direct benefit transfer scheme for the poor. But what was the DBT scheme there? They wanted to make cement for Dalmia and give license to Dalmia. They wanted to make sugar for Birla, run newspapers for Birla, do Times for Hindustan, etc. They wanted to make steel for Tata and make a scooter for Bajaj. Mr. Rajat, Mr. Rahul Rajat’s father, they were also Congressmen. Their statements are universal. So I am saying that you Congressmen, you will keep giving license permits to Kota Raj. So, the DVT scheme, license permit from Kota Raj, and all of these were from Congress. Forget Tata Sahab, Birla Sahab was also a member of Congress. Ramakrishna Dalmia was a famous independent soldier. Correct. The father of Mr Prajad and Mr Rahul Bajaj, he was also an independent soldier. All of these were from Congress.
Today, when the country is growing, there is some unemployment in the country, without any reason, you want to create anarchy in the country, then it is natural for such issues to arise and I answer it, which is controversial.
Rohan Dua
But let’s keep aside the controversy. Mr. Nishikanth, let me also tell you. Opposition also has not spared the opportunity to register FIRs against you. Now, I don’t know whether they do it because they do it on merit or because they feel the threat and intimidation inside you because you are going to expose their scandals and scams. If I understand that they have done FIRs against you, whether it is the Medical College, the Bedina Trust or the airport, the High Court had to quash them. Why do these guys follow you? The coordinated attack that happens with the people, I don’t want to mention their names. You know the influencers on social media. So why does it happen? Why is the angle from one side? And is there merit in it or not?
Nishikant Dubey
The thing is that the opposition people get trapped in the ED, CBI, and income tax cases. They go to jail. If they have a FIR on them, they go straight to jail. So because you have committed corruption and theft, you go to jail and you are scared. Similarly, they feel, that because they have to show the public, that the BJP people are also like this in the party, then they file FIRs against me, I have 44 cases against me. They are against me, they are against my parents, my wife, my brother, my children, my friends, against people like Manoj Tiwari. So they file cases against everyone. Because the cases are false, the high courts quash them.
Even the Supreme Court has been the one to question them. All the cases I win in the High Court, for your information, all those cases come to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court quashes them.
So, because all are fake cases, no case settles on me. As it is, no water is settled on the lotus leaf. So, nothing is made on us. But they feel that if we go to jail after stealing, and if there is a case, then there is no one to save it. It will be with Nishikant Dubey. But Nishikant Dubey is a worker of the BJP, it is the mission and motto of the PM- We will neither eat nor let anyone eat. When you believe in that thing, you have nothing to fear about. But whatever they do is bad for the public and democracy. If you want to move the system forward, then you dig a hole for yourself, not for others. That’s why you all go to jail.
Rohan Dua
I think that the party will think that when the reshuffle happens, this time because it can happen in a hurry, that we have made a cabinet. Although the Prime Minister always makes it carefully. When the elections of Jharkhand happen and if your party wins, then Nishikant Dubey Ji should come to the cabinet also.
Nishikant Dubey
I said that it is the Prime Minister the Home Minister and the Party President. The whole party loves me a lot. I have never felt any regrets about whether I am in the cabinet or not. Whatever you think that this work should be done in this field, this work is fine, this work should be done well, what will the party do?
The party has now made a member of the Business Advisory Committee, of the Public Accounts Committee, and now has become a member of JPC. How can the party give you more respect than this? And greed, greed is not the limit. Correct This party consists of 12 crore, 13 crore people. In 12 crore, 13 crore people, it makes you a member of Lok Sabha, it takes the rights of many people and gives it to you. This is a great respect for you.